Excuse me, but how can you say that "Weather prediction was invented in the U.S."? That is a very bold, ignorant and false statement!
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Published March 7, 2013
The Europeans got it right again. The big snow storm predicted to hit Washington, D.C., yesterday—up to ten inches, American forecasters said—never materialized. It was too warm, as European predictors had expected, for snow to accumulate in the nation's capital, which mostly saw rain, even as some suburbs got six inches or more of the heavy, wet white stuff.
It was yet another example of the shortcomings of the U.S. weather prediction system, said Cliff Mass, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Washington in Seattle. Compared to the European Centre for Medium Range Weather Forecasting, he said, the U.S. National Weather Service is falling further and further behind.
On your weather blog, you've described weather prediction in the U.S. as "second rate." Why do you think the European Centre tends to be more accurate?
Several reasons. One is that they have ten times more computer power than we do, which allows them to run their weather prediction model at a higher resolution than ours, roughly twice the resolution. Imagine a three-dimensional grid covering the atmosphere. They are able to define things much better—structures in the atmosphere and physical processes—because they're using a finer grid.
Can you give an example of the European model outperforming U.S. models?
I could give you lots of them. The most famous was Hurricane Sandy. The European Centre predicted that the storm would swing toward the East Coast two days before the American model predicted it. That's a pretty significant difference.
What would it take for the U.S. to have a model as good as the European one?
It would be very easy and it's outrageous it hasn't been done. We need more computer power for the National Weather Service. One way to do that would be to repurpose one of the supercomputers that NOAA uses for climate change research. Another would be to buy a new system. Why not use some of the $50 billion from the Hurricane Sandy relief bill?
In the meantime, why don't we just use the European Centre's model to predict our weather?
The National Weather Service already has access to it, but the European Centre is only doing global predictions. They won't do high resolution predictions for the U.S. Our problem is that we have inferior regional and local forecasting because we don't have the resources in place.
In any event, the European Centre is not the best you can do. I'm convinced we could do far better. Weather prediction was invented in the U.S. We should be able to do far better. But we can't do that if we don't have the computer power.
Any idea how budget cuts from the sequester will affect U.S. weather prediction?
The weather service was already starved for funds. It's in profound trouble. This is just going to push them over.
So it's not possible to forecast "weather" accurately a few days in advamce but it's possible to forecast multiple weather events, i.e., "climate", accurately 100 years from now. It's like saying that you can't accurately predict Apple's stock price next week, but you can 20 years from now. Give me a break.
I saw the storm on the way and tracked it as it passed south of me here in Northern Ohio and I know it would hit where it would. How?
Our local weather people get their data from NOAA dot gov.
What they do with it or how they interpert it is up to them and some times they blow-it.
Get your weather from NOAA and enter your zip code in the slot at the upper left of the screen.
Another example of how the U.S. is falling behind the cutting edge in the sciences. The inevitable long-term result will be further economic decline in the future. What kept the U.S. in front in the latter half of the 20th century was a continued committment to investment in the sciences so that the vast amount of the products the world wanted were first produced here.Investment in infrastrucure also is an economic boon which has been more and more neglected.
i suppose he's writing for an american audience, but it does get tiresome for europeans to always hear the bragging of 'everything important was invented in the usa'. uhm, no (usually). science is a group-effort, with people from all over the world providing a piece of the puzzle, which others than build onto. american scientists were oftentimes just quicker in running to the patent office and newspaper and unduly laying claim to an entire field of research.
as for the weather-forecasting: i have the idea that the problems go much deeper than 'not enough money'. that despite what the author suggests there is also a problem with supply, with educating and training enough new weather-scientists and with doing fundamental research. and that this is a problem with american science as a whole. just claiming your country is 'at the forefront of technical knowledge' does not make it true.
@John C. - Your argument is nonsense as it's based on faulty definitions and a misunderstanding. Climate is not "multiple weather events" any more than tides are multiple wave events. Although you may have made the error yourself, it's quite possible that it was fed to you by the climate denier movement. It is just one of an endless number of fallacious and often transparently nonsensical "arguments" that they peddle to the ignorant who are seeking confirmation of their anti-science biases.
I can't, or wouldn't, speak for all Americans but I have noticed many are tired of the jingoistic, anti-American slant that seems to accompany stories like this. The truly tiresome message is either that Americans don't deserve their successes or their problems are understated. However threatening it may be to the insecurities of some, a claim that America remains at the forefront of technical knowledge is in fact well supported by the standing of american universities in global rankings, the presence of american companies in global technology markets, and the number of Nobel prizes and patents flowing into the US.
As far as authoritative measures rather than the ad hoc comments directed at anything American, The Bloomberg Innovation Index continues to rank the US firmly in the top position.
The opposite claim seems increasingly motivated by envy, spite, ignorance, or all 3. As for weather forecasting, given the Europeans have 10 times the resources to me it's amazing the gap isn't larger. Perhaps the fact that America was where modern weather prediction (I take without a lot imagine that Prof. Mass meant modeling since that is the topic) was invented in the 1920s signifies that a better effort should be ongoing, but certainly by next year when 2 supercomputers will come online the US model will improve dramatically. After all, America invented the supercomputer.
"Climate denier", what exactly might that be, someone who denies that climates exist upon this planet? I don't know of a single person or animal who happens to be in denial of a climate in fact existing. "Anti-science"? Well, you don't need to be scientific to understand that a climate exists, because you feel it. These here are some rather interesting, enlightened concepts which you possess, and I'll be certain to pass along Captain Obvious' best regards.
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