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http://www.scribd.com/doc/123943486/ORIGIN-OF-THE-UNIVERSE-JET-HYPOTHESIS
A quasar jets energy in an illustration. A newfound quasar cluster is the universe's biggest known object.
Illustration courtesy M. Kornmesser, ESO
Published January 11, 2013
Talk about a whopper—astronomers have discovered a structure in the universe so large that modern cosmological theory says it should not exist, a new study says. (Also see "Giant 'Blob' Is Largest Thing in Universe [2006].")
Using data from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey, an international team of researchers has discovered a record-breaking cluster of quasars—young active galaxies—stretching four billion light-years across.
"This discovery was very much a surprise, since it does break the cosmological record as the largest structure in the known universe," said study leader Roger Clowes, an astronomer at University of Central Lancashire in England.
For comparison, our own galaxy, the Milky Way, is just a hundred thousand light-years across, while the local supercluster of galaxies in which it's located, the Virgo Cluster, is only a hundred million light-years wide.
Giant Quasar a Head-Scratcher
Astronomers have known for years that quasars can form immense clusters that stretch to more than 700 million light-years across, said Clowes. But the epic size of this group of 73 quasars, sitting about 9 billion light-years away, has left them scratching their heads.
That's because current astrophysical models appear to show that the upper size limit for cosmic structures should be no more than 1.2 billion light-years.
"So this represents a challenge to our current understanding and now creates a mystery—rather than solves one," Clowes said. (Also see "Dark Galaxies Discovered—May Be Cosmic 'Missing Links.'")
The titanic structure, known simply as the Large Quasar Group (LQG), also appears to break the rules of a widely accepted cosmological principle, which says that the universe would look pretty much uniform when observed at the largest scales.
"It could mean that our mathematical description of the universe has been oversimplified—and that would represent a serious difficulty and a serious increase in complexity," Clowes said.
Decoding Early-Galaxy Evolution
Significant not only for its record-breaking size, the massive structure could possibly shed light on the evolution of galaxies like our own Milky Way. Quasars, which pump out powerful jets of energy, are among the brightest and most energetic objects from when the universe was still young. They represent an early, but brief, stage in the evolution of most galaxies. (See "Earliest Known Galaxies Spied in Deep Hubble Picture.")
One theory holds that this type of colossal collection of quasars may be precursors to galaxy superclusters in the modern universe—but the exact nature of their connection is still a mystery.
The discovery, a prime target for computer modeling, also needs to be mapped out more thoroughly with telescopes, said Gerard Williger, an astronomer at the University of Louisville in Kentucky not connected with the study.
"This structure is bigger than we expect based on the shockwaves formed in the universe after the big bang," said Williger.
"There is very likely some mechanism [that] is turning on quasars over a large scale like this—and in a short time—which could relate to some condition in the early universe."
Th quasar study was published this week in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.
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Reminds me of Tagore's song-words:
King of kings dressed in what spelndour have You come into the throne-room of my heart?
Under Your feet a million moons and suns fall and die in shame.
King of kings dressed in what spelndour have You come into the throne-room of my heart? Under Your feet a million moons and suns fall and die in shame.
Prides, all my prides, breakdown, breakdown and faint and fall...... King of kings dressed in what spelndour have you come into the throne-room of my heart?
Guess guys How BIG is our GOD?
Reminds me of Tagore's song-words:
King of kings dressed in what spelndour have You come into the throne-room of my heart?
Under Your feet a million moons and suns fall and die in shame.
King of kings dressed in what spelndour have You come into the throne-room of my heart? Under Your feet a million moons and suns fall and die in shame.
Prides, all my prides, breakdown, breakdown and faint and fall...... King of kings dressed in what spelndour have you come into the throne-room of my heart?
Guess guys How BIG is our GOD?
Well, according to the most recent theory I'm aware of, the universe first existed in 10+1 dimensions (10 spatial and 1 time). It was in false vacuum, which then decayed. The other 7 spatial dimensions collapsed into themselves, smaller than a Planck Length. During the very early period of the Big Bang, there was a brief inflationary period where the universe itself expanded faster than the speed of light for a miniscule fraction of a second. We knew from WMAP that the background radiation of our universe was not as homogenous as it was previously thought to be.
Would it not be possible that the early inflationary period was inflation as viewed from within our universe, but a pull when viewed from outside? The collapse of the other 7 spatial dimensions could have skewed that inflation, leading to a greater density of matter in one region of our budding universe. As our knowledge of galaxies shows us, supermassive black holes are not all that anomalous. Where higher concentrations of matter are should surely have more of them as well, and a quasar is simply a supermassive black hole consuming matter.
Could the LQG simply be the result of a skewed inflationary period from the early formation of our universe resulting in an enormous collection of matter unable to escape itself?
If anyone thinks that a mathematician is unintelligent I'd love to see you say it to the face of a eg rocket scientist.
The fact is, where there is mathematics there has to be intelligence, what a very intelligent person created that!
Could it be that even our cosmological scientific viewpoint is anthropocentric to the extent that we overlook the possibility that the cosmos is infinite and that individual "Big Bangs" could occur, that there is no single beginning to the universe. Do all of the calculations of expansion indicate a single point of origin?
Regarding comments on god, the vastness, and the loneliness of the universe, the best theory I ever read is contained in the book referenced here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job:_A_Comedy_of_Justice
Well, Neal, I guess I'm not smart enough to see the relevance! I read the book's synopsis and I fail to understand how the journey of the two heroes in the story compares to the comments about God creating the universe. I guess one would have to read the whole book to get it, but would you consider giving us a brief explanation of why you think it's relevant to our comments? Many thanks!
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Well said @Bond, if you mean religious ignorance, even though I do realize there's an awful lot of scientific ignorance. But since I'm not extremely scientifically knowledgeable, I can't really comment on that. I love science -- all kinds -- and the reason I love it is because I believe in the One who created it all. I love to watch science programs, even those that don't give God the credit, because I love learning. I have great admiration for scientists. I just know that one day they will learn the truth, and hopefully, they will be believers so that when they learn the truth, they will already be in heaven, instead of in hell. Even a scientist who doesn't believe that God created everything, can become a believer and still believe in his science. I just hope that believing in God will enable him to have a greater understanding -- and appreciation -- for all the miracles that his science has uncovered. Besides, you don't HAVE to believe that God created everything to enjoy learning all about the universe.
I would argue that LQG is not the largest thing in the known universe. The largest thing is the volume of ignorance (VOI) that abounds on this planet.
I would argue that LQG is not the largest thing in the known universe. The largest thing is the volume of ignorance (VOI) that abounds on this planet.
It amazes ME to see how many people refuse to believe that the universe and all there is in it was created by GOD. You say the "big bang". What actually IS the "big bang" is the result of what happened when God SPOKE the universe into being. No one has yet been able to explain how ANYTHING, in the universe or on Earth, really began. There's an awful lot that we don't understand, and can't understand, until God deems it so. One day, we WILL know everything --- all mysteries will be revealed, all questions will be answered. Until then, we should just have faith that He has everything under control. We should marvel at the universe and its planets and stars, and shake our heads, saying "What an imagination God has!!!" Nothing begets nothing! His hand is in everything. Without Him, nothing would BE. Once you accept that truth, you can look at everything around you with fresh wonder and awe at His marvelous imagination. How grateful I am that HE IS!
@Elizabeth J. What does anything you said have to do with the discovery mentioned in the article? As far as I can tell, the article isn't concerning religion. And also, do you go to the doctor? Because the first pioneers in medicine didn't just sit back and "marvel at the universe" and wait for "God" to reveal "all mysteries" as you said. If it weren't for them, you would have had less chances of surviving until your current age, unless you tell me you're never gotten any shots. So it's nice that you have a religion, and you believe in a god, but what's the point of your statement? Do you, taking in consideration that medical doctors depend on scientific research, want scientists to stop studying the universe and sit around waiting for "God" to give them all the answers?
Considering that, I believe that it is wrong to say a structure that we know so little about evolved. Modern science assumes too much for knowing so little.
I believe that the problem with this is the basic idea that the structure evolved over billions of years. also, the problem encompasses the basic idea of stellar evolution being a very misinterpreted theory.
The problem with all these ideas and speculation is that they all miss the single point that Jesus rose from the dead. None other name is given unto men whereby we must be saved. Without a risen Savior there is no hope.
@Clifford Sanders to put it bluntly god either doesnt exist doesnt care or is long dead and if someone at any point in history where to rise from the grave they would be called a zombie demon or my favorite and closest to what the bible says a vampire (eat of my flesh, drink of my blood?) and what does that have to do with the known universe? nothing so why the hell would you post it here you ignorant sheep
@Blake Grubb @Clifford Sanders God does not interfere in a Free Will Universe. As for ignorant sheep, I find the most ignorant among us need to denigrate others to feel superior... Good luck with that.
@Brian Childers @Blake Grubb @Clifford Sanders
Clifford, you're right. They're also missing that Buddha reached nirvana, Mohammed's teachings, that Brahma is in everything, etc. Your point is? What do your religious views have to do with a scientific theory? It's like someone is saying "Hm I can't figure out with apple pie recipe," and you're responding, "That's because you're missing the point that Jesus rose from the dead!!!" Sound a little fanatic? Maybe. Jesus is beside the point. (He wasn't an astronomer, he was a carpenter.)
Blake, arguing your beliefs to Clifford is just as obnoxious as him arguing his beliefs to us. Let him believe whatever he wants about a god. You're right about his comment being irrelevant, but your point got lost when you attacked him (i.e. ignorant sheep).
I'm not going to address Brian, because he's right about the ignorant people. Look at all the homosexuals who get denigrated by religious people. :P (I couldn't help myself.)
I'd really like to know if the high energy jets produced by quasars can coalesce into matter as they cool, slowing during their trajectory, therefore create stars and eventually, once these have died and recycled, planet producing stellar systems? If there are many quasars grouping together with high energy jets produced these would indeed diffuse into space that is less occupied with energy and matter. Could the Big Bang be the result of a group of quasars and their high energy jets coalescing into the universe we now live in?
The cosmos is evolving to realize all of it's possibilities, to become the greatest it can become...
Maybe some other "Force" as yet 'Unseen and Unrecorded' by humanity, that moves faster than light?
Always the "Big Bang"! Maybe Black Holes recycle matter into say basic particles, and the universe then self perpetuates infinitum?
They are measuring its sized based on it distance from us. Isn't red shift unreliable? Hence, it may be smaller and closer than they think!
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Foolishness. Truth is immutable. Nomads in a desert cannot redefine it. Scientists in the lab can only theorize it. The truth has never changed. It is not relative to any situation. The speed of light is not constant and the universe is actually a multiverse. My rambling is white noise in infinity. There is only one purpose in life and that is to seek the truth to be free of man's artificial constraints.
Imagine this was mentioned in the holly Qur'an way back. QUASARS AND THE GRAVITATIONAL LENS EFFECT. http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_97.html
@Khedira Khedira Thank you to Arab scholars who invented the numeral system, and preserved ancient knowledge. Please don't try to reinterpret ancient writings to fit modern science. That's not science.
@Gaylon Arnold @Khedira Khedira
Arabs also gave us the first government with a department of conscience, a department that has preemptive veto power over all that government does and who can run for elected office.
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@Khedira Khedira what a load of religious crasp as usual, it never ceases to amaze me what all you people claim about our universe, give us a break
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why do we put a limit on how big things can be? this is space...and there is...well a lot of space in space :P
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@Faith SleevesPhotography“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely,
mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down
the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.”
―
Douglas Adams,
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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Is the Universe infinite in size? The Big Bang must have sprung from a source also infinite in size to begin with. A finite point cannot become infinite no matter how much it expands. We can't let our provincial view of the local Universe prejudice our consideration of what may truly be out there.
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Why does anyone quote a book or books written centuries ago as though
they have absolute knowledge of the books veracity as the ultimate
source of wisdom and truth ?
Everyone has zero knowledge of creation so don't speak as though you know about it.
I
have no doubt something made us and our universe,but please don't
expect me to believe in stories concocted by any one of more than 2500
religions so far recorded in human history as you don't know which
one,if any,are right.
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Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and earth, and the alternation of the night and the day, and the [great] ships which sail through the sea with that which benefits people, and what Allah has sent down from the heavens of rain, giving life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and dispersing therein every [kind of] moving creature, and [His] directing of the winds and the clouds controlled between the heaven and the earth are signs for a people who use reason.
Surat Al-Baqarah (The Cow), Holy Quran
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SIEMPRE HAY ALGO NUEVO QUE APRENDER PERO LO QUE NO APRENDEN ES QUE EL UNIVERSO ES INFINITO, Y EN VIDA NO HAY TIEMPO DE VERLO SI NO GENERACION TRAS GENERACION! : )
Why is a 1.2 bil light year diameter the biggest a cluster of quasars can get? Is that supposed to be the limit that gravity can yield?
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@Pepe Paco it's 4 billion light years across and 9 billion light years away from us.
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It's just so unbelievable that despite the enormousness of the universe, no other life form from any distant planet or galaxy have made an effort to contact us or at least tell us, "hey there, we exist here, stay where you are please, we don't need you here".
It's like the more we learn about how huge the universe is, the more lonely we get, in these incredible mystery of the universe.
@Jv Velarde the tech needed to even communicate that far is something we cant even comprehend so its likely all the beings in existence still have yet to manage to figure out much more than we have if even that far
@Jv Velarde other life doesn't have to mean intelligent life, nor does it have to mean an intelligent life from trillions of light years away that has discovered US yet either.
Probably because any alien race noticed how narcissistic and intolerant humans are. If I were an alien I'd leave Earth alone too.
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Great article, National Geographic.
When I take a look around at the things that are going on here on this planet, it makes me glad that there are bigger and more powerful things out there, than us.
Its not the animals that are destroying this earth, its not the plants, nor the oceans, nor the volcano's or anything else.
No, it us. We are the problem child.
Its a good thing that we are not out in the cosmos, running it like we run our affairs here.
Maybe our brains will evolve...
@John Brian Shannon well said we destroy to learn and that is not a good way of doing things we need to learn by studying how things destroy themselves insttead of being so impatient
we imagine lines between stars and call them constellations. the lines do not exist. we see things in clusters and imagine they are a structure. therefore, it must have been made. therefore, a sentient origin. someone is bound to consider the entire universe as a galactic structure with this group as its core. all we know is that they seem to be a very large grouping of observations from our point of view. no lines. no constellation. no sentient origin. no structure.
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