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Mount Ararat.
Near the top of Mount Ararat (seen from Armenia in a file photo) in Turkey, explorers claim to have found Noah's ark.

Photograph by Martin Gray, National Geographic

Ker Than

for National Geographic News

Published April 28, 2010

A team of evangelical Christian explorers claim they've found the remains of Noah's ark beneath snow and volcanic debris on Turkey's Mount Ararat (map).

But some archaeologists and historians are taking the latest claim that Noah's ark has been found about as seriously as they have past ones—which is to say not very.

(See "Noah's Ark Discovered in Iran?" and "Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water—Was It a Stunt?")

"I don't know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn't find it," said Paul Zimansky, an archaeologist specializing in the Middle East at Stony Brook University in New York State.

Turkish and Chinese explorers from a group called Noah's Ark Ministries International made the latest discovery claim Monday in Hong Kong, where the group is based.

"It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's ark, but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it," Yeung Wing-cheung, a filmmaker accompanying the explorers, told The Daily Mail.

Raw Video: Purported Site of Noah's Ark in Turkey (Courtesy Noah's Ark Ministries International)

Noah's Ark Location in Turkey a Secret

The team claims to have found in 2007 and 2008 seven large wooden compartments buried at 13,000 feet (4,000 meters) above sea level, near the peak of Mount Ararat. They returned to the site with a film crew in October 2009.

Many Christians believe the mountain in Turkey is the final resting place of Noah's ark, which the Bible says protected Noah, his family, and pairs of every animal species on Earth during a divine deluge that wiped out most of humanity.

"The structure is partitioned into different spaces," said Noah's Ark Ministries International team member Man-fai Yuen in a statement. "We believe that the wooden structure we entered is the same structure recorded in historical accounts. ... "

The team says radiocarbon-dated wood taken from the discovery site—whose location they're keeping secret for now—shows the purported ark is about 4,800 years old, which coincides roughly with the time of Noah's flood implied by the Bible.

(Related: "'Noah's Flood' May Have Triggered European Farming.")

"Noah's Ark" Wood "Way, Way, Way Too Young"

Skepticism of the new Noah's ark claim extends to at least one scholar who interprets the Bible literally.

Biologist Todd Wood is director of the Center for Origins Research at Bryan College in Tennessee, which pursues biology in a creationist framework.

As a creationist, Wood believes God created Earth and its various life-forms out of nothing roughly 6,000 years ago.

"If you accept a young chronology for the Earth ... then radiocarbon dating has to be reinterpreted," because the method often yields dates much older than 6,000 years, Wood said.

Radiocarbon dating estimates the ages of organic objects by measuring the radioisotope carbon 14, which is known to decay at a set rate over time. The method is generally thought to reach its limit with objects about 60,000 years old. Earth is generally thought to be about four and a half billion years old.

Across the board, radiocarbon dates need to be recalibrated, Wood believes, to reflect shorter time frames.

Given this perceived overestimation in radiocarbon dating, the wood the Noah's Ark Ministries International team found should have a "traditional" radiocarbon date of several tens of thousands of years if the wood is truly 4,800 years old, Wood said.

"I'm really, really skeptical that this could possibly be Noah's Ark," he added. The wood date is "way, way, way too young."

Wood thinks Noah's ark will never be found, because "it would have been prime timber after the flood," he said.

"If you just got off the ark, and there's no trees, what are you going to build your house out of? You've got a huge boat made of wood, so let's use that," he said. "So I think it got torn apart and scavenged for building material basically."

(Related: National Geographic's search for Noah's flood.)

"Noah's Ark" Found in Right Country, on Wrong Mountain?

Another reason scholars are skeptical of the latest Noah's ark discovery claim is that Genesis—the first book of the Bible—never specifies which peak the vessel supposedly landed on in Turkey.

"The whole notion is odd, because the Bible tells you the ark landed somewhere in Urartu,"—an ancient kingdom in eastern Turkey—"but it's only later that people identified Mount Ararat with Urartu," said Jack Sasson, a professor of Jewish and biblical studies at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee.

Stony Brook's Zimansky agreed. "Nobody associated that mountain with the ark" until the tenth century B.C., he said, adding that there's no geologic evidence for a mass flood in Turkey around 4,000 years ago. (See "'Noah's Flood' Not Rooted in Reality, After All?")

The Noah's Ark Ministries International explorers are "playing in a very different ballpark than the rest of us," Zimansky said. "They're playing without any concern for" the archaeological, historical, and geological records.

Better Explanations for "Noah's Ark" Structure?

Even if the Noah's Ark Ministries International team did find a wooden structure or even a boat on Mount Ararat, there are other explanations for what the structure might be.

For example, it could be a shrine constructed by early Christians to commemorate the site where they believed Noah's Ark should be, Zimansky said.

Even in that speculative case, it wouldn't be 4,000 years old. "The Bible hadn't even been written yet," he said.

Bible scholar Sasson said he thinks biblical writers intended the story of Noah's ark to be allegorical, not a true recounting of historical events. By presenting a scenario in which humanity is punished for its wickedness, "they were trying to draw us to the notion of a God who asks us to be acceptable," Sasson said.

(Related: "Bible-Era Mystery Vessel Found—Code Stumps Experts.")

UN to Consider "Noah's Ark"?

On its Web site, Noah's Ark Ministries International says the Turkish government plans to apply to the United Nations to put the Noah's ark discovery site on the UNESCO World Heritage list, a designation given to places of special cultural or physical significance.

But the agency hasn't received any official requests from Turkey for "the inscription of 'Noah's ark'" into the list, UNESCO spokesperson Roni Amelan said in an email.

Such a move would take time, Amelan added. "This cannot be done overnight."

379 comments
Gary Sellars
Gary Sellars

National Geographic has never been and will never be honest about *anything at all* that is directly related to the truth of Scripture. This organization has always hated and denied God and lied about the truth of HIs Word every way they can.


Try to prove me wrong. 


Now, don't show yourself to be an imbecile and pretend ad hominem fallacies are legitmate substitutes for hard, scientific evidence, confirmed by the scientific method even though you fools routinely use "scientific method" very selectively against your opponents when it's true effectiveness is against the charade that you clowns stand for.


Again, prove me wrong.

Matthew Townsend
Matthew Townsend

Wow. People actually believe this. Amazing. Anyone who accepts the literal meaning of the bible is nuts. These books have been roughly translated and altered for thousands of years and people are going to debate as if it is factual. 

Paul Roth
Paul Roth

Noah's ark? You have got to be kidding me! National Geographic, you have just lost all credibility and certainly my respect. A global flood never happened. Noah's ark never happened. Thinking that anyone should treat this ancient, man made fable as having actually taken place is laughable and an insult to the intelligence of serious, critically thinking people. Your magazine is now a joke just like the made up, so-called holy book that spawned this nonsense in first place.

Jesse N.
Jesse N.

The article reads:


"Many Christians believe the mountain in Turkey is the final resting place of Noah's ark, which the Bible says protected Noah, his family, and pairs of every animal species on Earth during a divine deluge that wiped out most of humanity."


Just to clarify, the word "species" is not written in the Bible. 


The actual word used in the Bible is "KIND" 

There is a difference in meaning between the words "SPECIES" and "KIND". 


If the Bible would use the word "species"  that would mean that the Ark contained two tigers, two lions, two cheetas, two panthers, two pumas, etc, etc, etc...

But the Bible does NOT say the word "species" (acounting for all types of felines), rather it uses the word "KIND", (accounting for only two felines, one male, and one female... Period!


Some people may use the word "species" and the word "kind" interchangeably out of etymological ignorance... But some may be well aware of the difference, and continue to use the word speciesth the intention to deceive... But don't be fooled, the two words don't mean the same thing.


Doesn't it make sense that God took only the basic Kinds ot animals in the Ark? 


And, would it really be posible to fit ALL SPECIES of animals that exist on planet earth in the Ark? Not within the specified measures.

But if we would group all the basic KINDS (NOT SPECIES) of animals in the world, we could easily pick a blue one and a pink one of each, and fit them perfectly within a smaller space than the Ark given the dimensions specified in the Bible.


This comment is meant for educational purposes only. I will not participate in any debate because the truth to this topic can be widely found. 

Whoever is sincere about knowing the truth can validate what I shared in this message.


Thank you.

Dave Machine
Dave Machine

Let me get this straight.  Carbon dating is OK to use for their religious artifacts, but not ok to use for EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE REFUTING THE BIBLE?? Wtf...

Contanya Perry-wade
Contanya Perry-wade

I believe in the word of God. But, It does make sense that Noah's family used the boat for scrape and shelter after the flood.  The other boats found may have been someone else trying to ride the storm(flood) and ran into a mountain.

Gary Bradger
Gary Bradger

I am a hopeful one that looks  forward to the day we can have the official confirmation on finding Noah's Ark. But that part in the article about the people needing something to build

homes with makes since that they probably used the lumber from the ark. I am starting to believe that's what happened.

Matthew Pearce
Matthew Pearce

I believe they have found two arks one in turkey(witch is in a cave) and another one that is lying on its right side

Donald Hoe
Donald Hoe

There is no hoax. Not even PROOF of a hoax. All this proves is that the ancient stories/myths floating around the middle east and shared by many religions in their writings, is that there WAS a flood of some kind that covered the "world" as they knew it. It DOES NOT prove that any one religion is correct so get that out of your head.

Donald Hoe
Donald Hoe

There is no hoax. Not even PROOF of a hoax. All this proves is that the ancient stories/myths floating around the middle east and shared by many religions in their writings, is that there WAS a flood of some kind that covered the "world" as they knew it. It DOES NOT prove that any one religion is correct so get that out of your head.

Griffin Ashley
Griffin Ashley

Alright everyone who gets on here commenting about this great discovery, its been proven as a hoax as stated multiple times in the comments below. Also If you really cared about this discovery then you wouldn't rely on one source to confirm or deny it.

Marco Polo
Marco Polo

Lord help us, do people really still believe that s**t?

Gerrard Doyle
Gerrard Doyle

I like the description of the four Blind men who were try to describe an elephant .

The one who felt the tail said the elephant is like a rope.

The one who felt the trunk said the elephant is like a snake.

The one who felt the leg said the elephant is like a tree.

The last one who felt the side of an elephant you are all wrong it's like a wall.


The answer is that they were all right to a point and all wrong in the overall.


Perception is what most people and interpret how the want to see things often time it is not reality.


The only valid explanation is to see, feel, taste and smell the complete (       ) of what you find a mystery.


Most importantly keep an open mind.

Leah H.
Leah H.

I read an interesting article on Ron Wyatt and his discoveries, I researched it further to end up writing a short article covering Noah's Ark, The Red Sea Crossing, The REAL Mt. Sinai, Sodom and Gomorrh and of course the Ark of the Covenant. But if you do your own research and watch all evidence it will all present itself and let you come to your own conclusion. But so far, there is more evidence than what is provided here. Here are two to start:


godinanutshell.com/project/ancient-discovery/historical-biblical-sites/


throneofgod.com/NoahsArk/natlgeo.html

Ckirshu Oliveros
Ckirshu Oliveros

Science and bible do not contradict itself, true science supports the bible while theologies are not. Theology is not a true science and there is a difference about "true" science and theology. true science are proven while theology are not for short a hoax.

Peter Beck
Peter Beck

April 28, 2010? That's almost four years ago. Shouldn't there be an update on this story by now?

Lori Kalemkerian
Lori Kalemkerian

Mt Ararat is not a "Turkish" mountain.  It is an Armenian mountain that was appropriated from the Armenian nation by Turkey.  Ararat is an Armenian word.  Urartu is the biblical kingdom of Ararat which was conquered by Armenians in the 7th century BC. I am so tired of the the Turks rewriting history to cover up what they did to the Armenians in 1915. 

Eric Harmon
Eric Harmon

Im not one to buy into the Ark but also I find it hilarious when people act as if science is non bias.  How many "missing links" have been found and later found to be a fossilized pig tooth or something but that article makes the 37th page of the newspaper while the original claim makes front page news.  As a historian, the study of science as a history not only shows it as bias as any other field, but it has been used for political gains, racial superiority, mass destruction of fellow humans, population control, sex superiority, etc.  Read some history morons.  People CANNOT overcome their own bias!  That IS a historical fact no matter what truth you are seeking.  Heisenberg hit the nail on the head!

แครี ดัน
แครี ดัน

Typical of religious morons. Established, proven science doesn't fit your unproven, illogical beliefs ? Then science must be wrong ! Change science, change the facts, to prove your beliefs !


Actual recorded history doesn't match the collection of stories and fables you have faith in ? Then recorded history MUST be wrong ! History must be changed to fit your beliefs ! FACTS MUST BE IGNORED if they don't fit your repeatedly translated, heavily edited, re-translated, heavily re-edited versions of stories that can't be found anywhere else except in the version of the bible you've been brainwashed into believing !


Reality doesn't fit your made up beliefs ? Screw reality ! Moses was 900 years old ! Noah was 600 years old ! Mary was a virgin (lol - nut-jobs actually believe that to this day). (How many of those imbeciles would believe it for a second if their daughter told them she was pregnant but it was OK because "god" did it and she was still a virgin.)


Oh wait, oops, sorry, almost fell of the edge of the "flat" earth there. After all, for centuries anyone who suggested the earth was round was in danger of being declared a heretic by the same kind of crack pots. Same for anyone that dared to suggest that the earth wasn't the center of the universe (some incredibly stupid people actually still believe that the earth is stationary and the that the sun revolves around the earth) !!


Oh what was that you said oh strangely talking burning bush ? You want me to check with the talking snake about getting morals from a book that condones slavery and rape and murder ? I don't know, maybe Balaam's talking donkey will have something to say about that, if it's not too busy trying to get jiggy with some (biblical) unicorns that is.


Do you want to know what "Noah's Ark" really was ? It was a raft made up of whatever materials were handy upon which Noah took his family and 2 of each of the animals on his farm (2 goats, 2 chickens, etc). The flood was probably the result of an unusually heavy rainfall that may have inundated the lowlands more so than normal. Perhaps an earthquake or landslide changed the flow of a river. 

Over the years, the story was "embellished" somewhat to make it more entertaining. 4 days of rain became 40. 60 year old Noah became 600. 2 of each animal on his farm became 2 of each animal on earth.


Oops, did it again. Let that darned reality get in the way of "belief". Much better to believe that a benevolent, loving being murdered every single living thing on the planet (except what was on the ark of course) in a fit of spite. Better to believe that an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, can create a universe with billions of planets and stars being, had to destroy almost every living thing on one single planet, because he was upset with one species he created, that wasn't doing what he wanted them to do, after giving them the free will to do whatever they wanted to do.


Yeah, that is so much easier to believe than reality !

Griffin Ashley
Griffin Ashley

@Gary Sellars First off, I would not start and end a sentence by throwing out derogatory names when you state the ad hominem fallacy is not a legitimate means of proving your point in the same sentence. Also, I found this... (http://creation.mobi/hong-kong-ark-fiasco) Which is one of many links on the internet proving this find is a hoax. I assume Nat Geo speculated that this was the case before posting this story, which would explain the cautious title they assigned to it. 


As for your first claim, I've personally never seen an article on here that has been hateful or denied god in any way. I've only seen articles that try to take an impartial view on the natural world as we observe it. If you have links to these articles, I would love to see them.

Remington Rogers
Remington Rogers

@Matthew Townsend actually the Bible is quite often used as a historical reference point in time because of it's accuracy. Also if you know any history of the Jews you know that there were no alternations as it was sacred to them essentially.  Also there are many accurate translations from many many scholars. Please do a little research before making a comment.

Gary Sellars
Gary Sellars

@Matthew Townsend If you had enough rational ability to honestly ponder and think with greater complexity than through only a couple of simplistic thoughts, it wouldn't be that very hard for even a half-wit like yourself to understand that the Bible contains all the figures of speech that one encounters in everyday communication.


To place upon such a great volume of proven reliable work, the all-encompassing restriction of literalness shows you to be firstly, incredibly lacking in shame for your arrogantly stupid proclamation, in addition to being a blustering, pompous fool who has already revealed that you would not be able to show yourself capable in any discussion about said Book, without scurrying off to the numerous atheists' sites who feed lying fools like you garbage to parrot.


Mocking people who aren't around is the work of lying cowards who have an inordinate and callously foolish disregard for the ease with which they can be put to shame for their stupid and ignorant remarks.


Care to give it a go?

Remington Rogers
Remington Rogers

@Paul Roth Then how do you  explain that so many ancient civilizations actually talk about a flood.  Have you any evidence at all to disprove it?


Gary Sellars
Gary Sellars

@Paul Roth   "Noah's ark never happened." 


Wow. Really? Because you say so, huh? When people need answers, don't use the Internet, just come to know-it-all, Paul Roth, right? Knowledge rests with you; no need to for an honest search of the Internet, right?


That must be your disposition because you didn't use the Internet before you made that completely ignorant remark. How do I know that? Because, unlike you, I do use the Internet to do HONEST searches.


An honest search of the Internet would have shown you to be a lying fool. "Lying" because your claim is patently and provably FALSE but you're too unscrupulous and dishonest to SPEND THE SECONDS it takes just to do a search that would lead you to the facts to examine before opening your mouth and declaring lies as facts; "fool" because anyone who makes ignorant claims in front of others when a ten second search would give evidence to the contrary is definitely a fool who doesn't have enough self-respect to care that he makes a fool of himself in front of the whole world. Why bother to honestly search the Internet when all knowledge rests with Paul Roth?


Here's the other reason I know you're a fool. Such stupidity as I've just exposed would never happen to a man who is not a fool. Reasonable people "cover their bases."


Yet, you stupidly mouth the words of idiot atheists because you don't have enough self-respect to care whether you put your foot in your mouth and shame yourself. That's pretty pathetic.


Another lying clown too lazy to do his due diligence.


Right now, I can point you to five video documentaries that expose you as a lying fool who did, in fact put his foot in his mouth. What's really terrific is that you can access those documentaries in seconds without my help. 


Yet, you haven't. Why? Because you're an ignorant fool who wants to believe lies, and not being content there, you lie to others. 


But God is using you to show that His Word is true as I will reveal below. 


I didn't stutter; did you notice that? Show me what a fool you are and answer me before you do any responsible research on the Internet. LOL


"He who answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame to him."


That is Proverbs 18:13, which you obviously don't care was written by the man historically known as the wisest man who ever lived. He surely pegged you, though fools commonly don't have enough sense to know when their own words have put them to shame.


You could really use a year or two in the Book of Proverbs. Just substitute the time you now give listening to lying idiot atheists spew fabricated lies about their religion.


Oh. Since you are wont to "answer a matter before you hear it," I should tell you whereof I got that perspective on 'atheism as a religion'. It came directly from atheists! Here's their definition, which you can copy and paste and search for yourself: "Religion is belief without evidence." That's how I know atheism is a religion; the atheists told me! What's funny is that they're too stupid to recognize their self-condemnation!


Which is doubly funny when one considers that it's impossible to have evidence for what doesn't exist!


I'm now wondering how many years will atheists stupidly keep parroting this self-indicting "definition" before they wake up and realize that they are advertising that not only are they fools (the fool has said in his heart, "there is no god" Ps14:1) but they're announcing to the entire world that they're religious fools *while* they mock religion!


He who sits in the Heavens laughs. Ps2:4


So do I. LOL

Muhammad Faisal
Muhammad Faisal

@Jesse N. Bible is modified shape nowadays because changes have been made in it..Authentication source is QURAN and HOLY Prophet (PBUH).

Quran tell us that Ark contains specieis on each and every animal..I can give u reference if needed

Gary Sellars
Gary Sellars

@Dave Machine "Carbon dating is OK to use for their religious artifacts, but not ok to use for EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE REFUTING THE BIBLE?"


I didn't read that remark by anyone. Can you kindly show me who said it?


You wouldn't lie about it, would you?

Stim Zany
Stim Zany

@Suren Petrosyan  What exactly are you trying to make clear? I don't understand.  Both links that you provided make it clear that  both "Urartu" and "Turkey" are generally different names for the same region. Are you trying to make it clear that the The Republic of Turkey only got it's name due to the Armenian Genocide? Even so, if that is the case, well to be totally plain, what does any of that have to do with a boat landing in that region or not?

Jesse N.
Jesse N.

@Contanya Perry-wade


I also believe the Word of God.

Many trees in the world were hit by strong waves, and got rooted out and floated until the waters receded. Other trees were buried under large masses of mud. The ones that were left floating were spread by the waves all over the earth and were readily available to use as wood... 

   Even if that weren't so, Noa's family would have left the Ark as it was to live in it because it already had enough strength and served as shelter. (The Ark had a roof, obviously to keep the falling rain out). After the rain stopped, the animals didn't need to stay in the Ark, rather they were probably put in barns that were probably built from the excessive wood left from the massive flood. By the way, just one tree they could have found would have been enough to construct many things... Remember that a lot of ancient trees from the time of the creation were VERY VERY large, and VERY wide in diameter, and that would have made them naturally stronger to withstand the flood as well as thicker to liver longer days after being rooted out...

    So it makes more sense to think that they used other trees for timber, and not the Ark itself. 

    If you believe in the Bible, you will notice that the measurements described in it match the measurements of the found Ark. And also remember that the measurement used was Egyptian cubits.

Any other questions from you, or anyone else are welcome, @Contanya Perry-wade

but this reply is intended for provoking thought in an already Bible believer, and NOT intended for debate. 

If anyone would like to debate about anything pertaining to this theme, please send me a personal message, and we can discuss matters at a personal level, otherwise I will not entertain the lust for words.


What I just wrote can be researched freely, and is widely available online.


God created science!


Thank you.

Ken Mejias
Ken Mejias

@Contanya Perry-wade  Sure, if God existed and this is a true story,  they probably did use the ark for wood. Especially since every other tree in the world is now dead,  but why is a dead tree not useful for wood anymore?  so they might have used the ark,  but they did not have to. The big issue here is those dead trees, plants bushes etc wont be providing foliage for animals to eat, (or us)  so what did they do?  What did carnivores do for food?  Eat one or both of the ONLY surviving animal of a species?  Gee how many animals got wiped out anyway even after surviving the flood?  Also,  why is there no physical proof of any flood around the world?  None. This is a story of homicidal genocide and subsequent incest to repopulate the world and Christians worship it?  And it is not even their story,  a version of it exist in another religion 100's of years before.

Paul Scutts
Paul Scutts

@Gary Bradger What has not been taken into account by those who believe that the timber of the ark was cannibalised by Noah and his family is the weather. Prior to the flood the water canopy would have made the climate temperate but after the flood the temperature would have dropped considerably and as the water receded the temperature would have kept dropping (3 degrees F for each drop of 1,000 feet). The ark would have been very quickly snowed in. Also don't forget humans and land animals need water to live, so animals and humans would have quickly followed the receding water. IMO the ark was not cannibalised, it was abandoned very quickly. Paul Scutts.

Jesse N.
Jesse N.

@Gary Bradger


I have just posted an answer about a similar doubt @Contanya Perry-wade had. Don't be discouraged. The same person who found the Ark of Noah, has also discovered other important Archaeological artifacts and places matching the Bible's account. In recent days he discovered the Ark of the Covenant (The most valuable item ever to be found in the world)!!!!!! Along with the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ (Which was found ALIVE still in it), and there is an appointed time in which these things will be revealed to all humankind to bare witness of the Gospel of salvation. Please see the YouTube video called:


Revealing God's Treasure - Ark of the Covenant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYIwjYN4JVo


Any other questions from you, or anyone else are welcome,

but this reply is intended for provoking thought in an already Bible believer, and NOT intended for debate. 

If anyone would like to debate about anything pertaining to this theme, please send me a personal message, and we can discuss matters at a personal level, otherwise I will not entertain the lust for words.


What I just wrote can be researched freely, and widely available online.


Thank you


Griffin Ashley
Griffin Ashley

@Donald Hoe  If you could summarize the findings from those videos that would be great because I don't have the time to watch almost 3 hours of video

Donald Hoe
Donald Hoe

@Griffin Ashley Sadly you don't know what your talking about. Just because some skeptics at Northridge University have done some arm chair assessments and disagree with with the TRUKISH GOVERNMENT does not make conclusions correct.

peter bartholomew
peter bartholomew

@Peter Beck  Hi, this "expedition" was exposed as a hoax some time before this story even appeared in National Geographic.

Samantha Jo
Samantha Jo

@Lori Kalemkerian  Actually, the Armenian name for the mountain is Masis. As for it not being a Turkish mountain, it is now. It may have historically been a part of Armenia, but due to border changes, it is now located in Turkey and is therefore a Turkish Mountain. I'm not condoning actions taken by the Ottoman Empire, but there's no need to get so defensive and deny what is.

peter bartholomew
peter bartholomew

@Eric Harmon  You describe exactly how religion was used in the past and how it is still used today. Science is simply the classification of knowledge and whilst it is indeed subject to bias it is not in itself responsible for how that knowledge has been used in the past by politicians, the media and the unscrupulous.

Knowledge is always useful or will be in the future and the data in itself does not contain bias but is subject to differing interpretations whereas in many religions including Christianity and Islam it is believing in the original data in the Bible and Koran that is the root cause of many of the world's problems.

Simon Kellis
Simon Kellis

@แครี ดัน the Bible mentions Red drift "He stretches out the heavens like a curtain" the Bible says the Earth is round Isaiah 40:22, where it mentions the “circle of the earth.”(as it appears from space) further more since the moon is around 225k miles from Earth and moves further away each year at the same rate 600 0 years ago it would only be 800 miles closer, however 1.4 billions years ago it would be toughing the oceans. Job 26:7, which states that God “hangs the earth on nothing.” Since God operates outside the physical world he can intervene and can cause miracles. The creation, the virgin birth the animals on the arc, Balaam's donkey, ect. Now about heaseys the Catholic Church had become extremely corrupt casting away the true teachings of the Bible and pagans infiltrated the church as a spy would a country, and enter a high position benefit themselves discrediting and destroying was is contrary to what he says It is clear something happened to you and you blame God do you understand that He sent his son to die a brutal death in your place. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life.GOD LOVES YOU, JESUS LOVES YOU

Thomas Doubting
Thomas Doubting

@แครี ดัน  Why do you care so much about what people--you label as "morons"--believe?  Most of what you wrote is just hateful attacks against Christians, and you just come across as a bigot!  What people believe has nothing to do with you, and you really should educate yourself if you're going to attack people, because most of what you wrote is false.  Moses was not "800 years old,"  he died when he was 120.

Shawn Richardson
Shawn Richardson

Typical of scientific know-it-alls. Established, written account by your own ancestors doesn't fit your impossible-to-prove, hypothetical theories? Then Bible must be wrong! Ignore Bible, force facts to fit your theories to, supposedly, prove your theories (because no one else has yet disproven them, but you’ll be happy to change your theory to another one once someone does)!


The collection of writings and morally-focused stories based on real-life experiences of those whom actually lived so many years ago doesn't match the collection of made-up theories you call facts because no one has disproven them? Then the recorded Bible MUST be wrong! The Bible must be defunct to fit your accepted scenarios! EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY MUST BE IGNORED if they don't fit your repeatedly applied, heavily modified, re-applied, heavily re-modified versions of theories that can't be proven within your lifetime except in the theorized techniques of measuring time you've been brainwashed into accepting as truth!


The Bible doesn't fit your made up theories? Screw the Bible (screw God)! The Earth is 4.54 billion years old! The universe is 13.8 billion years old! Mary was a byproduct of a pile of stromatolites that formed some 3.5 billion years ago (lol - nut-jobs actually believe this today).


Oh wait, oops, sorry, forgot to include information that’s actually beneficial to my argument. First of all, “translations” of the Bible are due to varying languages (since we don’t all speak the same language), not because the original content was changed (by in large, different translations attempt to convey the meaning of the original language in a more modern vernacular). In fact, the Torah has been one of the most meticulously maintained set of books in all of history so as not to leave out a single letter of its original language from copy to copy!!


Oh, and there is nothing in the Bible that states the earth is "flat" (in fact, there are verses that imply it is round: Isaiah 40:22 & Job 26:10). As for crack pots that still believe the earth is stationary and that the sun revolves around the earth? That has nothing to do with the Bible and it did not come from there! You can’t just come up with any kind of crack pot idea and then blame the Bible for its origin thinking it will prove your point.


The Bible does not condone slavery, rape or murder! In fact, quite the opposite is taught as acceptable (ever heard of the Ten Commandments?). Sure, there are those individuals in the Bible that oppressed their slaves and raped and murdered, but none of these were morally accepted actions condoned by God Himself without some sort of atonement by the offender! The point is to learn from the mistakes of others depicted. Yes, there was war and God did make judgments against evildoers that made war against Him (but the people did not carry out their own judgments against others and get away with it)! God’s judgment is righteous judgment!


Oh, and the point of life is to have the free will to choose! We can choose eternal life, beyond this physical existence with the Creator, by living our lives according to His instructions or we can choose the contrary (as those did at the time of Noah whom practiced evil continually within their hearts). Mankind, prior to the flood, was deemed a lost cause by their Creator and the life that was given to them was taken away (or, at least, fast-forwarded to the final judgment day where they will receive death eternal).


Speaking of talking asses! Oh, wait! I guess they can also type in blogs. See how I used a metaphor there? Perhaps if a real animal spoke a single word to you, you would then believe? No, you’d just claim it evolved.


Yeah, the Bible gives so much more meaning! What a wonderful reality that is!

jesse moono
jesse moono

@Ken Mejias FYI, according to the bible, the meat eaters only started eating meat after they came out of the ark. only then did they have the fear of man instilled in them. It helps to read the bible for those who think its fables; u will be amazed... wat u got to lose???? even beta, wat u scared of??? finding the truth????

Griffin Ashley
Griffin Ashley

@Donald Hoe @Griffin Ashley  well the rest of the internet kind of agrees with them, especially considering that Noah's Ark International doesn't exist anymore due to repeated "cry wolf" episodes that were all debunked and were surrounded in sketchy and non verified facts. 


There's a couple sources and many more can be found by a simple google search. If you have any sources to the contrary, please share them.


http://www.mountainararattrek.com/ark/


http://www.noahs-ark.tv/NAMI-noahs-ark-discovered-found-made-in-china-fraud/2010-nami-fraud-exposed-noahs-ark-ministries-international-claimed-to-the-world-they-found-the-ark.htm

Mary Ann Piloian
Mary Ann Piloian

@Samantha Jo @Lori Kalemkerian  Actually Masis is the smaller mountain adjacent to Ararat.  And it is NOT a turkish mountain it only lies in turkey. Are Armenian churches in eastern turkey (Western Armenia) turkish churches too(turks are muslims)? 

Shawn Richardson
Shawn Richardson

@Thomas Doubting I agree. But, Genesis 9:29 states "So all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years, and he died." Not 120 or 800. Just an FYI.

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