Alright everyone who gets on here commenting about this great discovery, its been proven as a hoax as stated multiple times in the comments below. Also If you really cared about this discovery then you wouldn't rely on one source to confirm or deny it.
Photograph by Martin Gray, National Geographic
Published April 28, 2010
But some archaeologists and historians are taking the latest claim that Noah's ark has been found about as seriously as they have past ones—which is to say not very.
"I don't know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn't find it," said Paul Zimansky, an archaeologist specializing in the Middle East at Stony Brook University in New York State.
Turkish and Chinese explorers from a group called Noah's Ark Ministries International made the latest discovery claim Monday in Hong Kong, where the group is based.
"It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's ark, but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it," Yeung Wing-cheung, a filmmaker accompanying the explorers, told The Daily Mail.
Raw Video: Purported Site of Noah's Ark in Turkey (Courtesy Noah's Ark Ministries International)
Noah's Ark Location in Turkey a Secret
The team claims to have found in 2007 and 2008 seven large wooden compartments buried at 13,000 feet (4,000 meters) above sea level, near the peak of Mount Ararat. They returned to the site with a film crew in October 2009.
Many Christians believe the mountain in Turkey is the final resting place of Noah's ark, which the Bible says protected Noah, his family, and pairs of every animal species on Earth during a divine deluge that wiped out most of humanity.
"The structure is partitioned into different spaces," said Noah's Ark Ministries International team member Man-fai Yuen in a statement. "We believe that the wooden structure we entered is the same structure recorded in historical accounts. ... "
The team says radiocarbon-dated wood taken from the discovery site—whose location they're keeping secret for now—shows the purported ark is about 4,800 years old, which coincides roughly with the time of Noah's flood implied by the Bible.
"Noah's Ark" Wood "Way, Way, Way Too Young"
Skepticism of the new Noah's ark claim extends to at least one scholar who interprets the Bible literally.
Biologist Todd Wood is director of the Center for Origins Research at Bryan College in Tennessee, which pursues biology in a creationist framework.
As a creationist, Wood believes God created Earth and its various life-forms out of nothing roughly 6,000 years ago.
"If you accept a young chronology for the Earth ... then radiocarbon dating has to be reinterpreted," because the method often yields dates much older than 6,000 years, Wood said.
Radiocarbon dating estimates the ages of organic objects by measuring the radioisotope carbon 14, which is known to decay at a set rate over time. The method is generally thought to reach its limit with objects about 60,000 years old. Earth is generally thought to be about four and a half billion years old.
Across the board, radiocarbon dates need to be recalibrated, Wood believes, to reflect shorter time frames.
Given this perceived overestimation in radiocarbon dating, the wood the Noah's Ark Ministries International team found should have a "traditional" radiocarbon date of several tens of thousands of years if the wood is truly 4,800 years old, Wood said.
"I'm really, really skeptical that this could possibly be Noah's Ark," he added. The wood date is "way, way, way too young."
Wood thinks Noah's ark will never be found, because "it would have been prime timber after the flood," he said.
"If you just got off the ark, and there's no trees, what are you going to build your house out of? You've got a huge boat made of wood, so let's use that," he said. "So I think it got torn apart and scavenged for building material basically."
(Related: National Geographic's search for Noah's flood.)
"Noah's Ark" Found in Right Country, on Wrong Mountain?
Another reason scholars are skeptical of the latest Noah's ark discovery claim is that Genesis—the first book of the Bible—never specifies which peak the vessel supposedly landed on in Turkey.
"The whole notion is odd, because the Bible tells you the ark landed somewhere in Urartu,"—an ancient kingdom in eastern Turkey—"but it's only later that people identified Mount Ararat with Urartu," said Jack Sasson, a professor of Jewish and biblical studies at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee.
Stony Brook's Zimansky agreed. "Nobody associated that mountain with the ark" until the tenth century B.C., he said, adding that there's no geologic evidence for a mass flood in Turkey around 4,000 years ago. (See "'Noah's Flood' Not Rooted in Reality, After All?")
The Noah's Ark Ministries International explorers are "playing in a very different ballpark than the rest of us," Zimansky said. "They're playing without any concern for" the archaeological, historical, and geological records.
Better Explanations for "Noah's Ark" Structure?
Even if the Noah's Ark Ministries International team did find a wooden structure or even a boat on Mount Ararat, there are other explanations for what the structure might be.
For example, it could be a shrine constructed by early Christians to commemorate the site where they believed Noah's Ark should be, Zimansky said.
Even in that speculative case, it wouldn't be 4,000 years old. "The Bible hadn't even been written yet," he said.
Bible scholar Sasson said he thinks biblical writers intended the story of Noah's ark to be allegorical, not a true recounting of historical events. By presenting a scenario in which humanity is punished for its wickedness, "they were trying to draw us to the notion of a God who asks us to be acceptable," Sasson said.
UN to Consider "Noah's Ark"?
On its Web site, Noah's Ark Ministries International says the Turkish government plans to apply to the United Nations to put the Noah's ark discovery site on the UNESCO World Heritage list, a designation given to places of special cultural or physical significance.
But the agency hasn't received any official requests from Turkey for "the inscription of 'Noah's ark'" into the list, UNESCO spokesperson Roni Amelan said in an email.
Such a move would take time, Amelan added. "This cannot be done overnight."
I like the description of the four Blind men who were try to describe an elephant .
The one who felt the tail said the elephant is like a rope.
The one who felt the trunk said the elephant is like a snake.
The one who felt the leg said the elephant is like a tree.
The last one who felt the side of an elephant you are all wrong it's like a wall.
The answer is that they were all right to a point and all wrong in the overall.
Perception is what most people and interpret how the want to see things often time it is not reality.
The only valid explanation is to see, feel, taste and smell the complete ( ) of what you find a mystery.
Most importantly keep an open mind.
I read an interesting article on Ron Wyatt and his discoveries, I researched it further to end up writing a short article covering Noah's Ark, The Red Sea Crossing, The REAL Mt. Sinai, Sodom and Gomorrh and of course the Ark of the Covenant. But if you do your own research and watch all evidence it will all present itself and let you come to your own conclusion. But so far, there is more evidence than what is provided here. Here are two to start:
Science and bible do not contradict itself, true science supports the bible while theologies are not. Theology is not a true science and there is a difference about "true" science and theology. true science are proven while theology are not for short a hoax.
Mt Ararat is not a "Turkish" mountain. It is an Armenian mountain that was appropriated from the Armenian nation by Turkey. Ararat is an Armenian word. Urartu is the biblical kingdom of Ararat which was conquered by Armenians in the 7th century BC. I am so tired of the the Turks rewriting history to cover up what they did to the Armenians in 1915.
Im not one to buy into the Ark but also I find it hilarious when people act as if science is non bias. How many "missing links" have been found and later found to be a fossilized pig tooth or something but that article makes the 37th page of the newspaper while the original claim makes front page news. As a historian, the study of science as a history not only shows it as bias as any other field, but it has been used for political gains, racial superiority, mass destruction of fellow humans, population control, sex superiority, etc. Read some history morons. People CANNOT overcome their own bias! That IS a historical fact no matter what truth you are seeking. Heisenberg hit the nail on the head!
Typical of religious morons. Established, proven science doesn't fit your unproven, illogical beliefs ? Then science must be wrong ! Change science, change the facts, to prove your beliefs !
Actual recorded history doesn't match the collection of stories and fables you have faith in ? Then recorded history MUST be wrong ! History must be changed to fit your beliefs ! FACTS MUST BE IGNORED if they don't fit your repeatedly translated, heavily edited, re-translated, heavily re-edited versions of stories that can't be found anywhere else except in the version of the bible you've been brainwashed into believing !
Reality doesn't fit your made up beliefs ? Screw reality ! Moses was 900 years old ! Noah was 600 years old ! Mary was a virgin (lol - nut-jobs actually believe that to this day). (How many of those imbeciles would believe it for a second if their daughter told them she was pregnant but it was OK because "god" did it and she was still a virgin.)
Oh wait, oops, sorry, almost fell of the edge of the "flat" earth there. After all, for centuries anyone who suggested the earth was round was in danger of being declared a heretic by the same kind of crack pots. Same for anyone that dared to suggest that the earth wasn't the center of the universe (some incredibly stupid people actually still believe that the earth is stationary and the that the sun revolves around the earth) !!
Oh what was that you said oh strangely talking burning bush ? You want me to check with the talking snake about getting morals from a book that condones slavery and rape and murder ? I don't know, maybe Balaam's talking donkey will have something to say about that, if it's not too busy trying to get jiggy with some (biblical) unicorns that is.
Do you want to know what "Noah's Ark" really was ? It was a raft made up of whatever materials were handy upon which Noah took his family and 2 of each of the animals on his farm (2 goats, 2 chickens, etc). The flood was probably the result of an unusually heavy rainfall that may have inundated the lowlands more so than normal. Perhaps an earthquake or landslide changed the flow of a river.
Over the years, the story was "embellished" somewhat to make it more entertaining. 4 days of rain became 40. 60 year old Noah became 600. 2 of each animal on his farm became 2 of each animal on earth.
Oops, did it again. Let that darned reality get in the way of "belief". Much better to believe that a benevolent, loving being murdered every single living thing on the planet (except what was on the ark of course) in a fit of spite. Better to believe that an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, can create a universe with billions of planets and stars being, had to destroy almost every living thing on one single planet, because he was upset with one species he created, that wasn't doing what he wanted them to do, after giving them the free will to do whatever they wanted to do.
Yeah, that is so much easier to believe than reality !
Genesis 8:4 - "and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat." Pretty clear statement.
Interesting story, but let's not get carried away with the details. It could also be a hoax such as the famous moon landing of 1969.
How long did the flood last? Seems there would be a problem if only 2 of every creature on earth existed after the floods, what would the carnivores eat? If a lion got off the ark and pounced on a gnu or something...wouldn't that species perish with no mate to reproduce with?
WITH SO MUCH OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE, SURELY THERE MUST BE A WAY OF IDENTIFYING SOMETHING THAT WAS BURIED EVEN IF IT BE FROM THE COPPER AGE? PROVIDED THEY HAVE FOUND THE CORRECT LOCATION OR NEAR ENOUGH TO THE CORRECT LOCATION TO BE ABLE TO SIFT THROUGH THE DEBRIS THAT WAS LEFT BEHIND BY THE DISINTERGRATION OF SUCH A HUGE STRUCTURE.
I AM NOT A SCIENTIST AND CLAIM TO BE TOTALLY IGNORANT IN THIS FIELD OF DETECTION. I AM THINKING OF PETRIFICATION, FOSSILISATION?
Why would there be no trees to build with after the claimed flood? Water does not dissolve wood like that.
How can a creationist show evidence of any dating, when they do not believe in well trusted dating techniques? They foiled their own agenda. The irony is laughable.
All of the Genesis stories (before the tower of Babel) can be found in the oral histories (or legends) of the ethnic groups who were not coped by the other modern beliefs or theories. Here is one example for that Noah story. Rawan is one of the tribes from the Kachin State, Northern part of Myanmar (Burma). They have an unwritten history. In the ancient time (the beginning of the universe), they said there was Supreme Beings (according to them the Supreme Beings is more than one,) who create everything and the mankind. Then, the population of human beings is growth and the good and bad are mixed. Therefore, the great flood came to punish the human beings and destroyed everyone and only one family was safe in the big raft and all of the races are descendent from that family; Tibetan, Kachin, Shan, Burmese, etc.That big raft rested on the top of the mountain. According to them, there is a big lake on the mount where Noah's ark rested.
Amazing chap that Noah, managing to travel to all those continents and countries that he didn't know existed in his wooden boat, exploring the depths of rainforests, the outback of Australia, Siberia, the ice caps, various deserts, mountains, rivers, swamps, caves etc, etc before any modern day explorers and managing to find two of every creature even though he had no idea what they looked like or where to find them, there are still many creatures in rainforest areas and wilderness that have yet to be discovered since he sent them back!
@Peter Beck Hi, this "expedition" was exposed as a hoax some time before this story even appeared in National Geographic.
@Lori Kalemkerian Actually, the Armenian name for the mountain is Masis. As for it not being a Turkish mountain, it is now. It may have historically been a part of Armenia, but due to border changes, it is now located in Turkey and is therefore a Turkish Mountain. I'm not condoning actions taken by the Ottoman Empire, but there's no need to get so defensive and deny what is.
@Eric Harmon You describe exactly how religion was used in the past and how it is still used today. Science is simply the classification of knowledge and whilst it is indeed subject to bias it is not in itself responsible for how that knowledge has been used in the past by politicians, the media and the unscrupulous.
Knowledge is always useful or will be in the future and the data in itself does not contain bias but is subject to differing interpretations whereas in many religions including Christianity and Islam it is believing in the original data in the Bible and Koran that is the root cause of many of the world's problems.
@แครี ดัน the Bible mentions Red drift "He stretches out the heavens like a curtain" the Bible says the Earth is round Isaiah 40:22, where it mentions the “circle of the earth.”(as it appears from space) further more since the moon is around 225k miles from Earth and moves further away each year at the same rate 600 0 years ago it would only be 800 miles closer, however 1.4 billions years ago it would be toughing the oceans. Job 26:7, which states that God “hangs the earth on nothing.” Since God operates outside the physical world he can intervene and can cause miracles. The creation, the virgin birth the animals on the arc, Balaam's donkey, ect. Now about heaseys the Catholic Church had become extremely corrupt casting away the true teachings of the Bible and pagans infiltrated the church as a spy would a country, and enter a high position benefit themselves discrediting and destroying was is contrary to what he says It is clear something happened to you and you blame God do you understand that He sent his son to die a brutal death in your place. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life.GOD LOVES YOU, JESUS LOVES YOU
@แครี ดัน Why do you care so much about what people--you label as "morons"--believe? Most of what you wrote is just hateful attacks against Christians, and you just come across as a bigot! What people believe has nothing to do with you, and you really should educate yourself if you're going to attack people, because most of what you wrote is false. Moses was not "800 years old," he died when he was 120.
Typical of scientific know-it-alls. Established, written account by your own ancestors doesn't fit your impossible-to-prove, hypothetical theories? Then Bible must be wrong! Ignore Bible, force facts to fit your theories to, supposedly, prove your theories (because no one else has yet disproven them, but you’ll be happy to change your theory to another one once someone does)!
The collection of writings and morally-focused stories based on real-life experiences of those whom actually lived so many years ago doesn't match the collection of made-up theories you call facts because no one has disproven them? Then the recorded Bible MUST be wrong! The Bible must be defunct to fit your accepted scenarios! EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY MUST BE IGNORED if they don't fit your repeatedly applied, heavily modified, re-applied, heavily re-modified versions of theories that can't be proven within your lifetime except in the theorized techniques of measuring time you've been brainwashed into accepting as truth!
The Bible doesn't fit your made up theories? Screw the Bible (screw God)! The Earth is 4.54 billion years old! The universe is 13.8 billion years old! Mary was a byproduct of a pile of stromatolites that formed some 3.5 billion years ago (lol - nut-jobs actually believe this today).
Oh wait, oops, sorry, forgot to include information that’s actually beneficial to my argument. First of all, “translations” of the Bible are due to varying languages (since we don’t all speak the same language), not because the original content was changed (by in large, different translations attempt to convey the meaning of the original language in a more modern vernacular). In fact, the Torah has been one of the most meticulously maintained set of books in all of history so as not to leave out a single letter of its original language from copy to copy!!
Oh, and there is nothing in the Bible that states the earth is "flat" (in fact, there are verses that imply it is round: Isaiah 40:22 & Job 26:10). As for crack pots that still believe the earth is stationary and that the sun revolves around the earth? That has nothing to do with the Bible and it did not come from there! You can’t just come up with any kind of crack pot idea and then blame the Bible for its origin thinking it will prove your point.
The Bible does not condone slavery, rape or murder! In fact, quite the opposite is taught as acceptable (ever heard of the Ten Commandments?). Sure, there are those individuals in the Bible that oppressed their slaves and raped and murdered, but none of these were morally accepted actions condoned by God Himself without some sort of atonement by the offender! The point is to learn from the mistakes of others depicted. Yes, there was war and God did make judgments against evildoers that made war against Him (but the people did not carry out their own judgments against others and get away with it)! God’s judgment is righteous judgment!
Oh, and the point of life is to have the free will to choose! We can choose eternal life, beyond this physical existence with the Creator, by living our lives according to His instructions or we can choose the contrary (as those did at the time of Noah whom practiced evil continually within their hearts). Mankind, prior to the flood, was deemed a lost cause by their Creator and the life that was given to them was taken away (or, at least, fast-forwarded to the final judgment day where they will receive death eternal).
Speaking of talking asses! Oh, wait! I guess they can also type in blogs. See how I used a metaphor there? Perhaps if a real animal spoke a single word to you, you would then believe? No, you’d just claim it evolved.
Yeah, the Bible gives so much more meaning! What a wonderful reality that is!
@David Pook The "mountains of ararat" in Genesis refer to a region in Turkey then known as Ruartu. It is not a mountain peak named Ararat, but an area with mountains. Early Christian writings identified the "place of descent" of the Ark as Mt. Judi, though some also name Mount Masis, which is the highest peak in the ararat region. Today, there *is* a mountain peak named Ararat, but it is neither Masis or Judi, and was named "Mt. Ararat" relatively recently in history, long AFTER the flood story.
So. Not a pretty clear statement.
@Josh Rodriguez Good god! Everything is faked, right? Moron! Need I explain the simple reason why there are no stars in the pics, hint it is the same reason we dont see stars in the daytime, or in most close to Earth space pics!! Tell Buzz and Armstrong they didnt go to the moon, hahaha!
@Wendell Cooper Yes, the polar bears would eat the seals etc - well, before they succumbed to heat exhaustion that is, the pandas and koalas would be frantically (well pretty slowly really) searching for bamboo and eucalyptus, a mountainous area or even the whole of Turkey or the Middle East does not contain enough diversity of plant life or suitable habitats for creatures from all over the world and the carnivores would decimate the herbivores who would be weak and without suitable food and of course some animals would simply get sick and die. To suddenly introduce millions of different animals to an area (billions if you include extinct animals like dinosaurs lol) would cause total chaos!.
@PATRICK BRACKEN It may be possible although it is unlikely that wooden remains would be found after such a long period unless the conditions were very favourable and traces were left in the soil but any nails or other metal objects might still be detected. This particular expedition was a hoax however and Noah's Ark Ministries International took a lot of money in donations and now cannot be contacted.
@Mike Duquette No, but think in a flash flood, trees and bushes get ripped out of the ground and carried away.
Just because they are well trusted does not make them accurate. The calibration could be a set point that is inaccurate and therefore anything tested would be wrong. You go with what you assume to be true. The science community also refers to this as theories. That would mean NOT fact. That's what they are in the business to do. I understand having to "see" to prove, but sometimes, you'll never see anything.
@HtetPaing YèMaung Interestingly there is some evidence of trade between the Sumerians and some of the early Indus Valley civilizations and trade between them and people in the region of Burma. It is possible that the Sumerians brought the story of the flood to the area, they both feature gods destroying the bad humans, a hero with a raft and a similar story ending up on mountain.
@peter bartholomew I think you need to go back and read that story again, I don't think any story from any culture speaks of a man traveling all over the world, discovering, and trapping creatures.
@Thomas Doubting I agree. But, Genesis 9:29 states "So all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years, and he died." Not 120 or 800. Just an FYI.
@peter bartholomew @PATRICK BRACKENThey have found many ships that were thousands of years old ,wooden, buried and intact. Turkey in these regions are very dry which would prevent rot especially at that height. It would, for lack of a better term, mummify the wood. Not that I believe this is the Ark but it also is well within reason for wood to survive in such a climate.
@reefdvr s There seems to be a common misconception as to what a scientific theory is, this does not mean that it is not fact, the use of the word theory in science is used for a scientific publication that is based on evidence and repeatable data which has been checked and confirmed by independent lab's and is not simply a "theory" as the word is used in everyday language
@Shawn Chamberlain Jr @peter bartholomew lol, I was just having a bit of fun - mind you, it's no more silly than some of the other stories I have seen :) I saw a really funny quote from some mad American called Ken Ham stating that the animals migrated from all over the Earth to get to the Ark lol, poor Noah - the flood would have been over by the time some of the animals got there - those that could survive outside of their natural habitat and without their normal food and could somehow swim across the oceans that is, some of the snails must still be on their way! :)
As it's written, "I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens... all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. AND rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights."
@peter bartholomew @reefdvr s Yes - science is based on the repeatability and verifiability of information and results. Radiocarbon dating is one of those results. The creationist biologist can't just say 'no, it must be off by a factor of ten' because he thinks God created everything. How can one even BE a biologist and trust in science and the verifiability that it requires and yet be a creationist too? It makes no sense! That guy needs a psych eval.
@Jeff Ryan Oh, thanks, then he should have known what a problem the Koalas would have lol!
@peter bartholomew @Shawn Chamberlain Jr Ken Ham is Australian. He just lives in the U.S. Lucky us...
@Steven Noneofyourbuisness Grumpy! I was just showing in a fun way just how absurd the whole idea is, there is obviously no way animals could get to an Ark by themselves crossing mountains and oceans etc and leaving behind their only food sources and survivable habitats and travelling for years across the world - wouldn't the flood be over by the time they got there? Going to collect them is no more silly than any of the other ideas I have seen.
@peter bartholomew Well your' "fun" made you look like an idiot.
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