Why would there be no trees to build with after the claimed flood? Water does not dissolve wood like that.
Photograph by Martin Gray, National Geographic
Published April 28, 2010
But some archaeologists and historians are taking the latest claim that Noah's ark has been found about as seriously as they have past ones—which is to say not very.
"I don't know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn't find it," said Paul Zimansky, an archaeologist specializing in the Middle East at Stony Brook University in New York State.
Turkish and Chinese explorers from a group called Noah's Ark Ministries International made the latest discovery claim Monday in Hong Kong, where the group is based.
"It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's ark, but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it," Yeung Wing-cheung, a filmmaker accompanying the explorers, told The Daily Mail.
Raw Video: Purported Site of Noah's Ark in Turkey (Courtesy Noah's Ark Ministries International)
Noah's Ark Location in Turkey a Secret
The team claims to have found in 2007 and 2008 seven large wooden compartments buried at 13,000 feet (4,000 meters) above sea level, near the peak of Mount Ararat. They returned to the site with a film crew in October 2009.
Many Christians believe the mountain in Turkey is the final resting place of Noah's ark, which the Bible says protected Noah, his family, and pairs of every animal species on Earth during a divine deluge that wiped out most of humanity.
"The structure is partitioned into different spaces," said Noah's Ark Ministries International team member Man-fai Yuen in a statement. "We believe that the wooden structure we entered is the same structure recorded in historical accounts. ... "
The team says radiocarbon-dated wood taken from the discovery site—whose location they're keeping secret for now—shows the purported ark is about 4,800 years old, which coincides roughly with the time of Noah's flood implied by the Bible.
"Noah's Ark" Wood "Way, Way, Way Too Young"
Skepticism of the new Noah's ark claim extends to at least one scholar who interprets the Bible literally.
Biologist Todd Wood is director of the Center for Origins Research at Bryan College in Tennessee, which pursues biology in a creationist framework.
As a creationist, Wood believes God created Earth and its various life-forms out of nothing roughly 6,000 years ago.
"If you accept a young chronology for the Earth ... then radiocarbon dating has to be reinterpreted," because the method often yields dates much older than 6,000 years, Wood said.
Radiocarbon dating estimates the ages of organic objects by measuring the radioisotope carbon 14, which is known to decay at a set rate over time. The method is generally thought to reach its limit with objects about 60,000 years old. Earth is generally thought to be about four and a half billion years old.
Across the board, radiocarbon dates need to be recalibrated, Wood believes, to reflect shorter time frames.
Given this perceived overestimation in radiocarbon dating, the wood the Noah's Ark Ministries International team found should have a "traditional" radiocarbon date of several tens of thousands of years if the wood is truly 4,800 years old, Wood said.
"I'm really, really skeptical that this could possibly be Noah's Ark," he added. The wood date is "way, way, way too young."
Wood thinks Noah's ark will never be found, because "it would have been prime timber after the flood," he said.
"If you just got off the ark, and there's no trees, what are you going to build your house out of? You've got a huge boat made of wood, so let's use that," he said. "So I think it got torn apart and scavenged for building material basically."
(Related: National Geographic's search for Noah's flood.)
"Noah's Ark" Found in Right Country, on Wrong Mountain?
Another reason scholars are skeptical of the latest Noah's ark discovery claim is that Genesis—the first book of the Bible—never specifies which peak the vessel supposedly landed on in Turkey.
"The whole notion is odd, because the Bible tells you the ark landed somewhere in Urartu,"—an ancient kingdom in eastern Turkey—"but it's only later that people identified Mount Ararat with Urartu," said Jack Sasson, a professor of Jewish and biblical studies at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee.
Stony Brook's Zimansky agreed. "Nobody associated that mountain with the ark" until the tenth century B.C., he said, adding that there's no geologic evidence for a mass flood in Turkey around 4,000 years ago. (See "'Noah's Flood' Not Rooted in Reality, After All?")
The Noah's Ark Ministries International explorers are "playing in a very different ballpark than the rest of us," Zimansky said. "They're playing without any concern for" the archaeological, historical, and geological records.
Better Explanations for "Noah's Ark" Structure?
Even if the Noah's Ark Ministries International team did find a wooden structure or even a boat on Mount Ararat, there are other explanations for what the structure might be.
For example, it could be a shrine constructed by early Christians to commemorate the site where they believed Noah's Ark should be, Zimansky said.
Even in that speculative case, it wouldn't be 4,000 years old. "The Bible hadn't even been written yet," he said.
Bible scholar Sasson said he thinks biblical writers intended the story of Noah's ark to be allegorical, not a true recounting of historical events. By presenting a scenario in which humanity is punished for its wickedness, "they were trying to draw us to the notion of a God who asks us to be acceptable," Sasson said.
UN to Consider "Noah's Ark"?
On its Web site, Noah's Ark Ministries International says the Turkish government plans to apply to the United Nations to put the Noah's ark discovery site on the UNESCO World Heritage list, a designation given to places of special cultural or physical significance.
But the agency hasn't received any official requests from Turkey for "the inscription of 'Noah's ark'" into the list, UNESCO spokesperson Roni Amelan said in an email.
Such a move would take time, Amelan added. "This cannot be done overnight."
How can a creationist show evidence of any dating, when they do not believe in well trusted dating techniques? They foiled their own agenda. The irony is laughable.
All of the Genesis stories (before the tower of Babel) can be found in the oral histories (or legends) of the ethnic groups who were not coped by the other modern beliefs or theories. Here is one example for that Noah story. Rawan is one of the tribes from the Kachin State, Northern part of Myanmar (Burma). They have an unwritten history. In the ancient time (the beginning of the universe), they said there was Supreme Beings (according to them the Supreme Beings is more than one,) who create everything and the mankind. Then, the population of human beings is growth and the good and bad are mixed. Therefore, the great flood came to punish the human beings and destroyed everyone and only one family was safe in the big raft and all of the races are descendent from that family; Tibetan, Kachin, Shan, Burmese, etc.That big raft rested on the top of the mountain. According to them, there is a big lake on the mount where Noah's ark rested.
Amazing chap that Noah, managing to travel to all those continents and countries that he didn't know existed in his wooden boat, exploring the depths of rainforests, the outback of Australia, Siberia, the ice caps, various deserts, mountains, rivers, swamps, caves etc, etc before any modern day explorers and managing to find two of every creature even though he had no idea what they looked like or where to find them, there are still many creatures in rainforest areas and wilderness that have yet to be discovered since he sent them back!
Hmm... there's something very fishy about this global flood story - literally!
Noah would have had to take two of each species of freshwater fish on the Ark, that's around 28,000 fish, he must have had a terrible sinking feeling when he realized that he would have to fill his boat full of water to keep them alive.
Let us just imagine that the animals didn't all drown or eat the fish and that, somehow the Ark full of water managed to make landfall as the flood waters subsided.
Well... there's Noah, two of every species of animal from all over the world and lots of fish stuck halfway up a mountain somewhere in Turkey...possibly - the GPS wasn't working - "Whoops! What now?"
Pity the poor Kangaroos "It's a long way back to Oz Dorothy!" or on second thoughts feel sorry for Brian the tiny Amazonian tree snail - he's still inching his way home!
And as for those poor fish.....
Science and the theory of evolotion are no more factual than the theory
of Creation. Both are just theories, plain and simple, and both contain
MANY contradictions. Both have changed their stories continually
throughout history to try to prove their point. People on both sides of
the argument choose what they want to believe based on a lot of
unproven information. Christians will never believe in evolution. And
scientists have never, and will never, disprove God. To state that
science is factual is just a complete lie. Just believe in what you
wish to be the truth. Your personal belief doesn't harm anyone.
We will each be proven wrong or right upon our death. You don't have to believe in God at all, if you do not wish to do so. Just don't lie by saying science is a fact. Science is study. Period.
Take it for what it's worth. If you don't believe in the Bible, Jesus, etc. etc., then why go on and on about it?
The biggest mistake all religious fanatics make is saying the bible is the word of God. It's not His word! He didn't write ANY of it! It's an interpretation of what a bunch of ordinary people say they "heard" or even "saw". Even if they did "hear" or "see" Him, did they have a parchment with them to write it down like dictation when He told them or better yet "showed" them what needed to be said or done? Interpretations are just that. Give the same scenario to 10 people and you will get 10 different interpretations. Not to mention that same book has been translated and rewritten many times over the centuries. It's a book of stories. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone who lives their lives by how a book tells them to has a very hollow life indeed.
another question emerges out of all this. If Jehovah was punishing evil sinful mankind, why a global flood? that suggests that there were other ancient civilizations in the world at that time which the bible does not make clear.
Joey Numbers down at the Port Authority said they have full control of all records and activities concerning NOAH SHIP YARDS INC. The Union goons refuse to release any information about any arks or Mt. Ararat.
How do they even know it's the or part of the ark? Does it have bronze plates engraved with NOAH SHIP YARDS INC. on it? It's probably just a large tree trunk that got buried in the dirt from a flood or ice movement or even plate tectonic movement of the earth thousands of years ago.
There is no other nation in the developed world that has any debate about Creationism VS Evolution, it's very scary how education standards in the USA haven't just slipped but have fallen off the edge of a cliff. Western Europe now views America as the dumb kid who sits at the back of the class playing with his assault rifles whilst his grandfather who helped put a man on the Moon weeps in despair.
LOL Glad every man women and child thinks they know more about life and the world we live in then the one who made it all. Fact is who cares where the Ark is or the Ark of the Covenant, or some stupid blanket that Jesus slept in or any artifact other then THE BIBLE. It has survived the test of time and is all any man women or child needs in order to have FAITH in God. You all are wasting your time chasing nothing when more important things are developing in our era in history. You all better get preped for the fire coming and stop farting around with where an old boat is. It is interesting but don't matter. I do not agree that all life got here in 6,000 years though, Seems WOODY has a few neat points but that earth took a very very very long time to form and produce life. We are not on our own timeline we are on Gods timeline. If 1000 years is as one day for God then well it is fine if it took 8 gazillion years for it all to get here. God is the ultimate authority in trajectory. In other words if he wants to have a BIG BANG and toss energy and mass over a vast area to form Earth out of it he is capable of doing so. Science is cool and well men should question things around them, but with God in mind. Not as holy roller idiots but open to the both possibilitys. Too meany want to enter a lab simply to prove there is no reason why we are here....... Too meany wanna enter a lab and make up complete garbage to want to prove God exist. Its all loony in the end of it. Simple truth is this..... Wanna prove God go to his WORD that is here for all of us to examine.
Okay, there are things here based on wrong premises. For one thing the Bible doesn't state that the earth was created in 6-24 hour days. We know days can refer to time periods. In fact in Genesis when the creative days were completed it states "(Genesis 2:4) 4 This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven. So here Moses, the writer of Genesis under inspiration used the term day to signify a time period. We do not know the exact amount of time each creative day was, they could be as long as was needed to accomplish the purpose of that day. Noah's flood occurred about 4000 years ago. It can be figured out chronologically using dates from scripture. Before the flood if you read Genesis carefully there was a division between the waters above the earth and the waters on the earth. This was a water canopy that was above the earth. That may have very well blocked out a lot of the cosmic rays that we have today, therefore changing the how the radio carbon dating should be conducted. When the flood came, not only did it rain for 40 days and 40 nights releasing that water canopy, but notice that the springs of the earth burst forth as well. There is a lot of evidence that a global deluge did take place. No the story of Noah and the ark are not allegory. If it were, God would have told us that in his word. When Jesus was on earth he would tell his disciples parables, and use illustrations. He would tell them that is what they were. When Revelation was written it says at the very beginning that it was written in signs, so it would have to be deciphered. The study of Bible helps us to understand that it is God's word, and that he cannot lie, and that what happened in Noah's day was true. I am not saying this find in Turkey is Noah's Ark, but sadly if it were proven to be so, many would flock to it and worship it, or try to take pieces of it to use in their worship. Jesus said clearly that his true followers would "walk by faith, not by sight". We have God's word, we don't need Noah's Ark to know God and the truth from God's word. Jesus used the true story of Noah's Ark as an illustration that our time we live in was much like the days of Noah. People would be doing the normal everyday things and even though Noah was a preacher of righteousness and told them about the impending devastation they took no note, and what happened? The flood came and swept them all away. He said this is what it will be like in the time of the end, people will take no note. There is a group of people on the earth today who, like Noah, are preaching the good news of God's Kingdom to come earth wide, giving people an opportunity to "get into the ark" so to speak and enjoy a loving relationship with God and an opportunity to live forever right here on earth in paradise conditions. We only need to be obedient and do just as God has commanded. This is what Noah did when he built the Ark, he listened and obeyed and his life and his families life was saved. You can mock the Bible all you want, it won't change the prophecies being fulfilled. The time is upon us dear human brothers and sisters to unite as a loving brotherhood. Learn from God's word, listen, and obey. Go to www.jw.org and request a Bible study.
could it be just as the mountain today is in ice that after the flood, the weather on the mountain was turning cold so Noah and his family moved to a lower elevation to live and stay worm.
They probably wouldn't have used the ark for building materials as they lived in tents.
They would have probably left it alone as a memorial to what had happened. Just speculating. :)
They probably wouldn't have used the ark for building materials as they lived in tents. Genesis 9:20-27
This article is poorly written. It did nothing to really disprove the Ark's existence other than some arbitrary quoting and opinion excerpts. Whoop-dee-doo. I could write a better article quoting Christian scholars proving the Ark exists. Speculation does nothing. I personally believe the Ark exists but am not convinced where it is or if there are even remnants of it remaining.
One thing in particular on this thread puzzles me - which version of the Bible do the fundamentalists and evangelicals take to be the literal truth?
Is it the old Hebrew texts that include stories borrowed from other cultures and religions such as the flood and the garden of Eden myths that were from the Sumerians and reworded to feature just one god?
Maybe it's the Latin version that the Romans edited to include only the books and gospels that they approved of and what about the gospels that were left out or discovered more recently?
Could it be the King James version that was translated by a panel of six people which had discrepancies decided by committee and was reworded to read more poetically in English featuring over 100 direct contradictions with mistakes such as the land of Kush being changed to Ethiopia when it is in fact a mountainous area of Iran.
Possibly they like the trendy New English Bible versions of the New Testament?
Does anyone know which version they consider to be real??
@HtetPaing YèMaung Interestingly there is some evidence of trade between the Sumerians and some of the early Indus Valley civilizations and trade between them and people in the region of Burma. It is possible that the Sumerians brought the story of the flood to the area, they both feature gods destroying the bad humans, a hero with a raft and a similar story ending up on mountain.
@peter bartholomew I think you need to go back and read that story again, I don't think any story from any culture speaks of a man traveling all over the world, discovering, and trapping creatures.
Who is claiming all science is fact? The creation story does not meet any criteria needed for a scientific theory. The evidence for evolution is strong. There is zero evidence of the creation story.
Religion will never disprove evolution. They sure have been trying for the past one hundred and fifty years, and have failed. Maybe you should pray for them to succeed. But of course that has been tried and proved a failure also.
@Ron Berry You appear to be confusing creationism with Christianity. The vast majority of Christians DO believe in evolution, it is only in the USA amongst all the developed nations that there is any debate on creationism vs evolution.
The main branches of Christianity all back evolution, The Archbishop of Canterbury the head of the Anglican Church which has 85 million members says that evolution is the best explanation for life on Earth today, The Pope head of 1.2 billion Roman Catholics has stated that recent developments in the study of genetics and DNA have shown that evolution is now undeniable.
In most of the world creationists are considered backward, uneducated fundamentalists not mainstream Christians and the Bible is revered for the teachings of Jesus Christ with the Old Testament seen simply as stories of how the Jewish people of that time viewed their past.
@Ron Berry There is no such thing as the theory of creation, a scientific theory is not the same as the common use of the word theory.
A scientific theory is evidence based on reliable research and data that gives consistent results when repeated by other independent laboratories, it is then subjected to peer review (there is no one more critical of new theories than other scientists), if it passes this process it then will be submitted for publication. It is only at this stage that it becomes a scientific theory.
Creationism has never been proposed as a scientific theory by anyone - with very good reason, there is no evidence or research to back it up, it's just a story.
It's revealing how authors like Ken Ham etc keep saying that they have scientific evidence to back their claims yet none of the research they mention is ever by legitimate scientists, it's just misinformation written by other creationist authors, they know that if they seriously proposed it as science it would be laughed out of court.
@Ron Berry You are misinformed, there are scientific facts. Scientific theories are the explanations of the facts and may change as new better evidence comes along, this is the good thing with science, it constantly updates so that we always have the best possible information based on the latest most accurate data.
A very simple example - Observational science shows us that when a ball is dropped it falls downwards, this is a scientific fact, the scientific theory that attempts to explain this is the theory of gravity.
Problems occur when people do not update their knowledge and blindly stick with information from the past regardless of how much evidence now shows that this is not correct.
Scientists do not try to disprove God, they would say that the possibility of a creator exists, although we have no evidence at the moment it may be possible, we just don't know. They set out to discover what is true using the best information available, if this shows that something once believed is not true then that is simply a byproduct of the process.
@Ron Berry Science based on unproven information you say. Have you ever heard of fossils?
pa·le·on·tol·o·gy 1.the science of the forms of life existing in former geologic periods, as represented by their fossils.2.a treatise on paleontology.
@Jimmy Crackcorn A case can even be made that the Bible actually features more than one god.
The ancient Hebrew people were not monotheistic as once thought, excavations at old settlements have found that many homes included shrines to two or more gods.
The chief god that they worshiped was Yaweh who ruled from the upper tier of Heaven accompanied by his wife Asenrah, on the lower tier were twelve other gods, each with their own powers, some more powerful than others, these gods were subservient to Yaweh and were often sent down to Earth to accomplish tasks and fulfill Yaweh's commands.
The early representations of Heaven very much resemble a square wedding cake with the Earth at the bottom supporting Heaven on great pillars and above that, again held up by pillars, the higher tier topped by the happy couple!
It's not known whether Asenrah was considered a goddess (the inscriptions simply say "wife of Yaweh") but she suffered the fate of many a female deity in a male dominated society and simply faded into obscurity, she is barely mentioned in the Bible, however the others gods persisted, still fulfilling tasks though now being given the name angels.
@Jimmy Crackcorn Maybe this will help you: http://carm.org/bible-sinful-written-by-people-can-we-trust-it
@matthew vincent In the original version of the story it was not a global flood, it was a river flood, it was changed to being the sea by a later editor. In the book of Genesis the flood water rises by only 15 cubits, this is only 22 feet, hardly a global flood.
There were civilizations before and after the supposed time of the flood that make no mention of it , in China agriculture started around 9,000 years ago, buildings and pottery of the Peiligang culture have been found there from 7,500 years ago.
The ruined temples at Goblekli Teki in Turkey are dated at over 12,000 years old.
Ancient Egypt also dates back beyond the supposed date of the flood, it was civilized long before the unification of the upper and lower Egyptian kingdoms 5,165 years ago.
The passage grave at Barnenez in France was built 6,860 years ago, Sechin Bajo in Peru is 5,510 years old.
Neolithic civilization first arose around 12,000 years ago with the bronze age spreading throughout the world in many locations about 5,300 years ago.
The flood story was written as one of a series of poems in the Sumerian creation myths, its purpose was to shown how man's ingenuity could overcome all obstacles, the Ark was a raft made of reeds, Noah the flood hero was made immortal by the gods as a reward.
Thousands of years later the Hebrew people adopted the Sumerian Garden of Eden and flood myths as their own, adapting them to feature just one god, some of the words in Genesis such as Eden are still old Sumerian words. Later the measurements were added to the Ark story to describe how they thought the Ark may have been built using the construction methods of their own time.
Does anyone know why "evil sinful mankind" seemed to include all the children, babies and millions of animals that would have died in such a flood?
@Alana Skirts This expedition was exposed as a fraud some time ago, they had made the whole thing up, the photo's were faked and taken elsewhere, they pretended that they were taken in a cave on the mountain.
Local people were employed to carry wood up the mountain, it was then brought back down to show what they had "found".
Noah's Ark Ministries took a lot of money in donations to fund their "expedition" and strangely no one can now contact them. These people as with the majority of these groups such as Answers In Genesis etc are not Christians or even creationists, they are simply con artists taking money from gullible people.
@Dustin Caldwell Where is his "word"? Is it in the Koran? Fact is, anyone can make up a mythical being that has superpowers.
Many of these myths stood for centuries, and surely many thought that test of time was evidence. It is only evidence of blind faith, nothing more.
@Dustin Caldwell I couldn't agree more.. What you said sounds a lot like something a Jehovah's Witness would say. Are you a brother?
Well done, well written Dustin...
@Donna Paige Sorry but the water canopy idea was conclusively dismissed some time ago. A water canopy capable of causing just 40 ft of surface water would double atmospheric pressure crushing humans and most animals - no need then for a flood! The energy required for the vapor to be released to fall as liquid water would heat the Earth's surface to over 800C destroying all life. And all that for just 40 ft of water!
@Donna Paige : some people carved woods, ivory, crystals, and shaped into human form and worshipped their own creation... that's bad... as for you guys, you know so much about Bible and I could not argue about it, but you know carving a material, and getting some consonants added with vowels to come up with the name of God and worship that name, to me do not make any difference from creating your own god to worship... what if, that is not the real name of God that you have come up with? Instead, the name of the other side?... Then you've been worshipping other god all along... the greatest mistake that you guys could have done. I have attended years of your meetings, and I still find irony...
@Donna Paige There really isn't any genuine evidence of a global flood - not one tiny piece, it is just one of hundreds of old creation myths, not reality, do you really think that if it was 4,000 years ago the civilizations that were there before and after that period might have actually mentioned it? Nothing happened. There is not a trace shown in geology, rainfall records etc. There may have been a big flood in Sumer once, the bronze age people who wrote the story had no idea of the size of the Earth or even that it was a globe and no possible way of knowing if the whole world was flooded, all they were aware of was the Middle East and parts of Asia Minor and the Mediterranean.
Even the evangelical Christian scientists that have been looking for over ten years admitted last year that they have found no evidence at all of a global flood. It's no different to believing in the fantastical creatures and monsters of the Greek myths, they too have aspects of real events in them such as Troy, Jason's travels and the labyrinth etc just as some of the Bible stories refer to historical events but they are not history books and are full of legends, fables and historical inaccuracies.
Fascinating reading but not remotely all literally true and much of it not even intended to be thought of as such, just ways of trying to explain how the world may have been created as they didn't have the knowledge then to know any better.
The flood story in the bible has changed many times over the years with different birds etc, in the earliest versions the Ark was a circular raft made of reeds, later it was adapted to how the people thought Noah may have made it according to the construction methods of their times and then measurements were added and the story became more and more exaggerated as time went by. Besides that, what sort of a God would have "Thou shalt not kill" as one of his commandments when in the flood story he apparently commits genocide on a grand scale, drowning innocent babies, women and children, never mind all the poor animals? He also seemed to like killing lots of Egyptians later on - a bit of a hypocrite methinks!
@Connie Johnson If you are referring to the Youtube video about this expedition then it was taken down after the whole thing was exposed as a hoax, they had filmed the wood and compartments elsewhere and pretended that the film came from caves on the mountain.
@pete spruyt Firewood to help them dry out :)
All Bibles are the same, any Bible will do.
Just as a translator translates a speakers language to anotherlanguage for those listening, does not make the translated material invalid.
@Shawn Chamberlain Jr @peter bartholomew lol, I was just having a bit of fun - mind you, it's no more silly than some of the other stories I have seen :) I saw a really funny quote from some mad American called Ken Ham stating that the animals migrated from all over the Earth to get to the Ark lol, poor Noah - the flood would have been over by the time some of the animals got there - those that could survive outside of their natural habitat and without their normal food and could somehow swim across the oceans that is, some of the snails must still be on their way! :)
@peter bartholomew In my own backyard on top of the Sandia Mountains in Albuquerque, NM 10,000 feet above sea level you can find fossils of fish and other "sea life". Is that enough geologic evidence for you? Also, for you to say what you say and yet very society; Chinese, Mexican, South American have stories of a "Great Flood"............
@peter bartholomew Peter, you are misinformed. Nearly all the societies on earth include a flood scenario in their historical references.Can they all be wrong?
@TJay Jonnson @peter bartholomew The point is that they have many differences, for example the Jefferson Bible did not include Revelations, even the names of countries are not the same in different Bibles, the land of Kush was Sudan in some Bibles, the King James version has it as Ethiopia, it is actually now thought to be a mountainous area of Iran.
Yes the message remains the same but some people in America actually believe the whole Bible to be literal truth.
@Thomas Meleck @peter bartholomew And many societies have floods even today. But to claim they all happened at once is based upon zero evidence. In fact, it contradicts all known evidence. The stories are what are known today as lies, or extreme exaggerations.
You must be aware that men lie and exaggerate, correct?
I note believers often feel only one possible explanation can come from these verbal claims. And yes, they all can be wrong about a claim of a global flood. For one, how could they know the entire earth was flooded? It is a claim one could not know.
@Thomas Meleck @peter bartholomew There are certainly many stories of floods from around the world as is to be expected, we have a lot of flooding in the UK at the moment, however very few of these myths and legends refer in any way to a global flood, for instance the Great Flood tale in China specifically refers to a natural disaster with population displacement and the building of dykes and ditches to control the flood.
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